SL Bar Association

SL Bar Association

Attendance: Jerkwad Borkotron, Starlight Darkmatter, Treasure Ballinger, Ellen Ross, ElizabethESQ, Sam Courtois, Tim Faith, Faye Blackheart, Legal Writer, BavarianGames, Haplo Eberhart, Henry Laurens, Geri Kahn, Summer Rae

[09:54] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Question: shall SLBA continue as an organization past the first of the year?
[09:55] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Wow, that is in question?
[09:55] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Welcome back Starlight
[09:55] (You): wb starlight
[09:55] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): If so, what changes in structure, fi any should be adopted?
[09:55] Treasure Ballinger: Wow that is quite a question.
[09:55] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I take it that you think it should, Ellen?
[09:56] Starlight Darkmatter: Sorry, crashed.
[09:56] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): WB Starlight.
[09:56] Treasure Ballinger: I have a new computer and am trying to test voice, so you guys don't have to type for me, I jjust need to adjust a bit
[09:56] Treasure Ballinger: feel free to voice
[09:56] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Certainly, but since I haven't been contributing actively, I can't throw stones at anyone who may be overwhelmed by the frustration of trying to make things happen.
[09:56] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): OK - I cannot hear anyone anyhow.
[09:56] Treasure Ballinger: Agree, Ellen but.......   seems so drastic all the same
[09:57] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Ellen for President!
[09:57] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I think we need to stay as an organization.
[09:57] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): All in favor?
[09:57] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Ugh, I couldn't even keep up with Treasurer!
[09:57] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): LOL
[09:57] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Aye.
[09:57] Elizabeth (elizabethesq) laughs
[09:57] Treasure Ballinger: lol  it's pretty easy to keep up with Treasure.
[09:57] Treasure Ballinger: is this a vote?
[09:57] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) looks to make sure the final "r" was in my comment
[09:57] Treasure Ballinger: are we actually voting to keep SLBA as an organization here?
[09:58] Treasure Ballinger: ooooh hahahaha ok, got it
[09:58] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): No.
[09:58] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): We are just discussing various possibilities
[09:58] Treasure Ballinger: ok looked like Sam was voting
[09:58] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): He was talking about making Ellen the next president. ;-)
[09:58] Starlight Darkmatter: Sorry but I don't have voice and can't hear.
[09:59] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): It's in general chat, no one is talking anymore.
[09:59] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Let's keep this in text if there is even one person who can't hear voice
[09:59] Treasure Ballinger: Great then I don't feel so bad, I was trying to get voice set up
[09:59] (You): hello jerkwad
[09:59] (You): welcome my parrot friend
[09:59] Treasure Ballinger: Hi Jerkwad
[09:59] Starlight Darkmatter: Thanks.
[09:59] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Hello Jerkwad! Love the parrot avatar!
[09:59] Treasure Ballinger: Pretty avatar
[09:59] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Hello Jerkwad.
[09:59] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): It's always fun to see what avatar Jerkwad will bring to the meeting
[10:00] Jerkwad Borkotron: Hi everyone
[10:01] (You): welcome faye
[10:01] Jerkwad Borkotron: greetings faye
[10:01] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Hello Faye.
[10:01] Faye Blackheart: hey
[10:02] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Hi Faye!
[10:02] Faye Blackheart: hi
[10:02] (You): elizabeth, i note that we have a quorum of the executive committee present
[10:02] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Awesome!
[10:02] Treasure Ballinger: Yay
[10:02] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Missummer too!
[10:02] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Midsummer*
[10:02] Jerkwad Borkotron: hooray for getting stuff done
[10:03] (You): our discussion is whether to continue the SLBA, and if so, in what manner
[10:03] Jerkwad Borkotron: omg
[10:03] Jerkwad Borkotron: I'm glad I'm here
[10:03] Treasure Ballinger: agree, omg
[10:03] (You): welcome legal writer
[10:03] Jerkwad Borkotron: Greetings legal
[10:03] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Legal!
[10:03] Faye Blackheart: whether to continue, i was unaware that issue was on the floor lol
[10:04] Treasure Ballinger: why is it a question, is it due to the sim costs?
[10:04] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I hadn't realized that it would be, so I'm glad I happened to remember today
[10:04] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I think right now it is just a discussion.
[10:04] Jerkwad Borkotron: whew you had me scared
[10:04] Treasure Ballinger: me too
[10:04] Legal Writer: Hello, everyone!
[10:04] (You): well, i think we should consider continuation and whether our mission is still aligned with our membership
[10:05] Treasure Ballinger: Hi Legal
[10:05] Faye Blackheart: yeah, after i wasted 8 hours on a friday night preparing a copyright presentation that no one came to, it's probably appropriate
[10:05] (You): mhm
[10:05] Treasure Ballinger: ugh.....  ok, i get that.
[10:05] (You): that is certainly on my mind, faye
[10:05] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I'm sorry that I forgot about that.  I would have liked to attend that one
[10:06] (You): we also lack a treasurer
[10:06] (You): (i've been filling in)
[10:06] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): My apologies to the group for not being able to fulfill that commitment
[10:07] (You): as of today, we have a total of 32 members that have paid dues for 2015-2016 of 76 members in the SLBA group
[10:07] (You): we are in a strong position financially with 462,180 L in the bank
[10:07] (You): so the issue is not financial but mission
[10:07] (You): is our mission aligned with our membership
[10:08] Treasure Ballinger: do we remove those who have not paid dues?
[10:08] (You): i have them marked as inactive
[10:08] (You): per a resolution previously passed by the board
[10:08] Treasure Ballinger: ok
[10:08] (You): so i open discussion
[10:09] (You): what say all of you
[10:09] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Ellen for President
[10:10] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I respectfully decline that nomination
[10:10] Faye Blackheart: Well if we didn't have this mission, what mission would we have?  I don't think we should dissolve
[10:10] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): since I wasn't even able to get the Treasurer work done
[10:10] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I would like to be more active, though -
[10:10] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): but more in event planning than in money management
[10:10] Jerkwad Borkotron: I feel like presentations that deal with issues that are of concern to the SL community as a whole as opposed to just being the equivalent of CLE for lawyers draw more people to the presentations
[10:11] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) nods
[10:11] Faye Blackheart: well that was the one last time, and no one came lol
[10:11] Faye Blackheart: so I don't know if that'll make a difference
[10:11] (You): agreed faye
[10:11] (You): that was a case about SL copyright in particular
[10:11] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Was it promoted outside our group?  I hadn't logged in to this account so I didn't see the group notices - was it listed with SL under events?
[10:12] (You): yes in SL events
[10:12] Faye Blackheart: Yep, I advertised to around 8,000 people
[10:12] Treasure Ballinger: I was thrilled to learn, back in 2007, that the SLBA existed.  I think people like knowing we're here, even if they aren't active with us.   We might consider downsizing, to a large parcel, instead of a full sim, it would take some of the pressur e off.  seriously you guys probably don't need offices in SL....  as for presentations, yeah that's a problem not sure how to approach that one.  You'd think a presentation about SL copyright would have been huge.
[10:12] (You): faye promoted elsewhere
[10:12] Starlight Darkmatter: Was the talk on copyright advertised as a CLE opportunity?
[10:12] Treasure Ballinger: I saw it advertised as a CLE opportunity but can't remember where I saw that.
[10:12] Treasure Ballinger: probably in our group
[10:12] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I only saw it in one group notice unfortunately,
[10:13] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Well, it's not a new problem.
[10:14] Faye Blackheart: I did not spin in like a CLE, I advertised to peak the interest of content creators concerned about copyright law
[10:14] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Many of our presentations are not well attended, if at all.
[10:14] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): So I listen to Jerkwad carefully.
[10:15] Jerkwad Borkotron: Maybe you could get a linden for a legal Q & A I know that's easier said than done but if asked nicely LL might agree to it
[10:15] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): May I suggest that Jerkwad be recruited to help us with programs?
[10:16] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Any idea is worth pursuing, even if it doesn't ultimately panout.
[10:16] Jerkwad Borkotron: I'm happy to help.  Sam, that group MOMs I've suggested partnering with them they have weekly presentations that draw it might make sense to do presentations at MOMs
[10:16] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): We were discussing that earlier.
[10:16] (You): So is the consensus that the SLBA will continue to do legal presentations?
[10:16] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): That's exactly why I joined - to inquire about an association.
[10:17] Jerkwad Borkotron: I'm very good friends with Starr so that shouldn't be too hard to pull off they will be happy to host us on their land
[10:17] Treasure Ballinger: Maybe one presentation quarterly?  Take some of the pressure off, to present, present, present all the time?
[10:17] Legal Writer: There is an aspect of lawyers learning about practice, but also we hoped to educate the SL community as well.
[10:17] Legal Writer: We could have programming for both.
[10:17] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): The MOM presentations are not necessarily legal in nature.
[10:17] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I think we should. Perhaps we should just begin to advertise a lot more, and maybe, we can combine more than one topic/talk into a presentation and have a theme instead of trying to do one a month.
[10:18] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Not a bad idea.
[10:18] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I agree with Elizabeth on that
[10:18] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Out Law Day program was pretty low w key, but I was fun.
[10:18] Legal Writer: Partnering with other groups would help spread the word.
[10:18] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Make it for more than one hour - 2 or so, and then going from there.
[10:18] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Our*
[10:19] Treasure Ballinger: That WAS fun, Sam.
[10:19] Elizabeth (elizabethesq) smiles
[10:19] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): YUes!
[10:19] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Too bad more people couldn't join us.
[10:19] Treasure Ballinger: The medieval dancing.......  I rarely get to do something fun in SL anymore, so I had a good time.
[10:20] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): If we incorporate elements like the costume contest and dancing into future events, it may draw more people
[10:20] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I do agree that a major problem is getting the word out to the interested people.
[10:20] (You): hello bavarian, welcome
[10:20] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Hi Bavarian
[10:20] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): And they just announced the theme for Law Day 2016: In 2016, the nation marks the 50th anniversary of perhaps the best-known
U.S. Supreme Court case, Miranda v. Arizona.

The Miranda Warning has become ingrained in law enforcement and has permeated popular consciousness through countless recitations in films and television shows. Yet Miranda is only part of the story when it comes to the procedures for ensuring justice.

The 2016 Law Day theme “Miranda: More than Words” will explore the procedural protections afforded to all of us by the U.S. Constitution, how these rights are
safeguarded by the courts, and why the preservation of these principles is
essential to our liberty.
[10:20] BavarianGames SLSGO: Hello everyone
[10:20] Jerkwad Borkotron: Welcome Bavarian
[10:20] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Hi Bavarian.
[10:20] Legal Writer: Hello!
[10:20] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Hello Bavarian.
[10:21] BavarianGames SLSGO: I'm going to relog real quick
[10:21] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Maybe we should incorporate some roleplays/ re-creations into next year's presentation, make it more entertaining
[10:21] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): The "Miranda" theme would lend itself to that
[10:22] Elizabeth (elizabethesq) smiles and nods
[10:22] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Jerkwad - do you think that might be of broad interest?
[10:22] Jerkwad Borkotron: Miranda?
[10:22] Faye Blackheart: yeah, i think if we want to get more people involved, we have to look at what everyone in SL is doing, and incorporate that....go to them..
[10:22] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Yes.
[10:22] Treasure Ballinger: Miranda = law enforcement reading you your rights.
[10:23] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Could be interesting. :-)
[10:23] Jerkwad Borkotron: I would say Miranda itself probably not but in the context of #BlackLivesMatter - well - that will probably still be an issue
[10:23] Treasure Ballinger: it's relevant to issues thoday, though....
[10:23] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Good point.
[10:23] Treasure Ballinger: *today
[10:23] Starlight Darkmatter: You could have a fundraiser -- jail and bail type thing.... Donations to get the friend out of jail.
[10:23] Treasure Ballinger: that's fun
[10:23] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I've done jail and bail things IRL, they are always fun
[10:23] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): That could be really fun!
[10:24] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): and a lot cheaper to do in SL !
[10:24] Starlight Darkmatter: yep
[10:24] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I am thinking that Meeting of the Minds would be a natural fit for a joint presentation on these issues.
[10:25] Jerkwad Borkotron: I agree 100% with Sam on that it will draw a much broader audience as opposed to just having it here
[10:25] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): LOL - we could probably tap into the "Bondage" crowd too?
[10:25] BavarianGames SLSGO: I thought MOM was closed
[10:25] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Bondage w//out rights?
[10:25] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): We definitely need to do something to boost attendance. And yes, Sam, we would probably use RLV for the jail and bail :-)
[10:25] (You): If we are going to other locations for making presentations, do we need to maintain this sim?
[10:25] Jerkwad Borkotron: No, MOMs keeps evolving it looks totally different now but still there
[10:26] Faye Blackheart: having a sim legitimizes the group
[10:26] Faye Blackheart: I wouldn't recommend getting rid of it, especially since it's priced for us
[10:26] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): MOM is alive and well. I just joined recently. BTW, membership is $L100
[10:26] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I agree.
[10:26] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): It does make it seem more "official" and I gather that finances are not our main problem so I would support keeping the sim
[10:26] Jerkwad Borkotron: Right and you can't count on other venues being there SL evolves so fast MOMs has beaten the odds by being there for one year.  Venues don't make money if Starr decides to not pay for it anymore then MOMs will be gone
[10:26] Legal Writer: I agree
[10:27] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I'm constantly finding places gone without warning.
[10:27] (You): Ok, Resolved that the Bar Association will continue to maintain Justitia.  All in favor?
[10:27] Treasure Ballinger: Question, do you who maintain 'offices' actually ever use them here?  Ever sit down, talk to clients, do anything at all with them?  I do use my land downstairs daily but wondering about 'offices'.
[10:27] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I would favor keeping the SIM for as long as possible. First it si a great SIM, and second, it really is a great deal as well.
[10:27] Faye Blackheart: Aye
[10:27] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): That's why I let mine go.  Never used it.  But I do like coming here for events
[10:27] Treasure Ballinger: Hi Haplo
[10:28] Haplo Eberhart: hello!
[10:28] Haplo Eberhart: how is everyone!
[10:28] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Aye!
[10:28] Haplo Eberhart: pardon for being late
[10:28] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Hi Haplo!
[10:28] (You): welcome haplo
[10:28] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Hello Haplo!
[10:28] Treasure Ballinger: Well it's nice seeing an actual 'legal village', aesthetically anyway.
[10:28] Haplo Eberhart: i had a cat emergency
[10:28] Treasure Ballinger: awwww!
[10:29] Jerkwad Borkotron: I hope the fuzzy fellow is ok Haplo
[10:29] Haplo Eberhart: she had an in grow nail and was picking at it
[10:29] Haplo Eberhart: she is
[10:29] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I propose that we ask Agenda to convert several vacant offices into jail cells - as a fundraiser.
[10:29] Haplo Eberhart: i gave he ra bath and cliped th enail
[10:29] Haplo Eberhart: she cut herself trying to fix it herslef
[10:29] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): She probably didn't like that much, but better than picking at it
[10:29] Starlight Darkmatter: I support Sam's proposal
[10:29] (You): hello henry
[10:29] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Are we starting that soon or are we going to do that as a Law Day fundraiser?
[10:29] Haplo Eberhart: my  mom freaked  out and woke me up
[10:29] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Thanks Tim. Hi Everyone.
[10:29] Treasure Ballinger: Oh great, people are coming to the meeting yay!
[10:29] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Hi Henry.
[10:30] Jerkwad Borkotron: Is subletting the sim an option?  I know Starr is always complaining about the price of the land.  You could charge her approximately half of what her landlord charges due to the tier break you're getting from LL and I really believe what they do at MOMs is consistent with the mission of the SLBA (civil discussion of cogent issues).
[10:30] Faye Blackheart: ohhhh that's a good idea
[10:30] Faye Blackheart: that could draw traffic
[10:30] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Sounds worth looking into
[10:30] (You): welcome summer
[10:30] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): How much space is she looking for? Does she just need a building?
[10:30] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Hello Summer
[10:31] Jerkwad Borkotron: I think we're talking like 1/2 sim
[10:31] Treasure Ballinger: Welcome everyone
[10:31] Faye Blackheart: if she needs a lot of space, we could rent them an entire sky platform like we're on
[10:31] Jerkwad Borkotron: that's around what MOMs has now
[10:31] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): That may be a tricky thing to do.
[10:31] Treasure Ballinger: what does MOMS do exactly?
[10:31] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Especially when you have to consider the prim count.
[10:31] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): The Village takes up the eight central parcels of the SIM.
[10:32] Treasure Ballinger: I don't want to give up my land downstairs!  lol
[10:32] Jerkwad Borkotron: I'll paste their parcel description
[10:32] Jerkwad Borkotron: Striving for polite Conversation, about impolite topics.
Intellectual Discussion with free thinkers on Social Issues, Education. Politics, Atheist, Debate, Science, Religion, Chat, Alternative Lifestyle, and Philosophy.
Even Republicans are welcome
[10:32] Starlight Darkmatter: Lol
[10:32] Treasure Ballinger: Ha, sounds like a cool group
[10:32] Faye Blackheart: we couldn't rent half the sim, but we have about 5k prims left to sell here, depending on how many renters are not using their prims
[10:32] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): We could release two adjacent parcels at the lower level.
[10:33] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Two to the north and two to the west..
[10:33] Jerkwad Borkotron: Hi Summer welcome
[10:34] Summer Rae (lilmizzcurious): ★ THANK YOU ★
[10:34] Faye Blackheart: or if anyone down below would be willing to move to a different parcel to add more adjoining parcels for them
[10:34] Treasure Ballinger: Nooooooo lol
[10:34] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): That could certainly improve traffic and get some more attention and interest
[10:34] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I agree.
[10:34] Jerkwad Borkotron: and more people for your presentations
[10:34] Faye Blackheart: yeah, i think it's a great idea
[10:35] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): It's worth a conversation.
[10:35] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Jerkwad - do you thinbk MOM could fit on two parcels?
[10:36] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Especially if we shared additional space inthe Village here?
[10:36] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Or even three if we had to find a way to do so?
[10:36] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): The could use our courtroom for certain presentations.
[10:36] (You): yes i could move to give three parcels adjoining if there was interest
[10:37] Jerkwad Borkotron: It would be up to Starr I can't speak for her I think 3 parcels is what they have now
[10:37] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): And we have the cafe in the square. :-)
[10:37] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Sounds like time to open up a conversation with Starr / MOM
[10:37] Faye Blackheart: yeah
[10:37] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): The corner lots and the center lots are taken. are taken,
[10:37] BavarianGames SLSGO: How much space does MOM have on their current sim?
[10:37] Jerkwad Borkotron: I think they're on 3/8ths of a sim don't quote me on that though they recently cut back due to finances
[10:38] (You): jerk, if you would introduce me to starr, i can talk with her about this idea and see if it would work
[10:38] Faye Blackheart: well i bet we'd be a good opportunity for them, we have been here for years, and it's a cheaper sim
[10:38] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): This could be a marriage made in heaven.
[10:38] (You): unless there is an objection from the membership to proceeding
[10:38] Faye Blackheart: no objection here
[10:39] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I support exploring every opportunity.
[10:39] Treasure Ballinger: I would move if it would help provide connecting space,  for MOMS long as I don't have to move AWAY.
[10:39] Treasure Ballinger: no objection
[10:39] (You): treasure, agreed
[10:39] Treasure Ballinger: It's a great idea, hope it works out do keep us posted.
[10:39] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Such an alliance does not impact our integrity as a bar association.
[10:40] Treasure Ballinger: no, seems innocuous, that's why I asked exactly wht kind of group it is
[10:40] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I don't hear any objections to exploring this possibility
[10:40] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I call the question.
[10:41] (You): The motion is to explore having MOM become a tenant of the sim. All in favor?
[10:41] Treasure Ballinger: Yes
[10:41] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Aye
[10:41] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Aye
[10:41] Faye Blackheart: aye
[10:41] Starlight Darkmatter: aye
[10:41] Legal Writer: aye
[10:41] (You): any nays?
[10:42] Jerkwad Borkotron: aye
[10:42] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Tim - please ask Agenda about the mechanics.
[10:42] (You): wb elizabeth
[10:42:41] Summer Rae (lilmizzcurious): aye go ahead do what you think is best :)
[10:42:45] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Welcome back Elizabeth
[10:42:52] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Thank you!
[10:43:02] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): ok the motion carries
[10:43:06] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): As I say, there are limited parcels that we can dedicate without upsetting the applecart.
[10:43:14] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): i will explore the options with jerkwad and starr
[10:43:26] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): And Agenda.
[10:43:35] Treasure Ballinger: oh yes, and Agenda!
[10:43:44] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Thank you.
[10:43:44] Jerkwad Borkotron: Starr should be around later knowing her she will put it to a vote of her membership as well so this is not something that will happen overnight
[10:43:54] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): no problem
[10:44:01] Treasure Ballinger: Still, gotta start somewhere.
[10:44:20] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Alright. We need to elect officers for the 2015-2016 year
[10:44:38] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): (Sorry I was AFk - and aye)
[10:44:49] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): WB Henry.
[10:44:59] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): TY Sam. My apologies.
[10:45:31] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): I will entertain nominations for Treasurer, Secretary and President
[10:45:40] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Is there a Slate?
[10:46:11] Treasure Ballinger: Is it possible to re elect the current slate?
[10:46:26] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Any member can be nominated, though the president must be an attorney
[10:46:43] Faye Blackheart: sam runs off lol
[10:46:43] Treasure Ballinger: I know Robert's Rules of Order allows that.....  unless we have term limits which I don't think we do
[10:46:45] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): (lol, sam runs away when we ask for officer candidates)
[10:46:54] BavarianGames SLSGO: Can I nominate Donald Trump? :P
[10:46:59] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois) entered chat range (1.00 m).
[10:47:10] Jerkwad Borkotron: hahahahaha
[10:47:13] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): wb Sam
[10:47:13] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): I would move the current officers be re-elected as a slate, if they wish to continue to serve of course.
[10:47:14] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): sadly, bavarian, donald trump is not a member of the SLBA
[10:47:27] Treasure Ballinger: 2nd to Henry's motion.
[10:47:41] Haplo Eberhart: thank god for donald trump. honeslty best thing to happen to the usa. He will so divide the conservative voters
[10:47:45] Faye Blackheart: i 3rd that
[10:47:58] Jerkwad Borkotron: 4th it you guys are doing a good job
[10:47:59] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Well, we have no treasurer. we would need someone to run for that position
[10:48:08] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) hides under her chair
[10:48:12] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): LOL
[10:48:37] Treasure Ballinger: moves over by Ellen under the chair.  Maybe next year after I retire in RL.  I can't now.
[10:48:40] Haplo Eberhart: let me tell you this, law school and lower back pain do not mix well
[10:48:50] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Ouch
[10:48:53] Faye Blackheart: I second u on that Haplo
[10:49:01] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): My IOLTA account always balances but the mathematical pain and effort precludes me from being a Treasurer.
[10:49:02] Faye Blackheart: what does the treasurer have to do again
[10:49:23] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): LOL
[10:49:37] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): The treasurer has the main responsibilities of:

(a) obtaining a monthly transactions statement from the SL account for the administrator,
(b) converting lindens to USD before the 25th of each month to pay monthly tier owed to LL,
(c) follow-up regarding annual dues,
(d) annual 990 filing with IRS, and
(e) regular reporting of our financial status to the membership.
[10:50:23] Faye Blackheart: I guess I can do that, if NO ONE ELSE WANTS TOOOOO
[10:50:35] Faye Blackheart: lol, anyone??
[10:50:36] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): ty faye
[10:50:39] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): I would amend my motion to allow Faye to serve as Treasurer.
[10:50:40] Treasure Ballinger: I nominate Faye Blackheart for Treasurer.
[10:50:48] Faye Blackheart: argh lol...
[10:50:50] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Much appreciated, Faye, and I second that nomination
[10:50:50] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): is there any other attorney here that would like to be President
[10:50:54] Treasure Ballinger: or, 2nd Henry's amendment
[10:51:10] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): i have served two terms and would be loathe to continue a third if there is anyone else interested
[10:51:26] Treasure Ballinger: you would 'be loathe'?   Awwwwwww  :)
[10:51:39] Jerkwad Borkotron: I nominate Donald Trump as President for Life ... wait ... I mean Tim
[10:51:42] Treasure Ballinger: that was cute and so formal!
[10:51:46] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Sounds like TIm has filed a motion to be relieved.
[10:51:58] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Grins
[10:52:33] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I think Tim is a great president, but I do think that it is a good idea to rotate the position and the responsibility.
[10:52:46] Legal Writer: Agreed.
[10:52:52] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Nods in agreement.
[10:52:55] Legal Writer: We can't put it all on Tim year after year.
[10:53:00] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Personally, I urge othjers to step up to the palte and take a turn.
[10:53:02] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) stares at her hands and tries to avoid falling into temptation again which did not work out well the last time
[10:53:24] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): In light of the foregoing, I think maybe I should withdraw my motion for a slate.
[10:53:42] Faye Blackheart thanks her lucky stars she's not a licensed attorney yet
[10:53:47] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): lol
[10:53:47] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): And ask do we need to elect now under our bylaws or should we refer to a nominating committee
[10:54:01] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): we are a month overdue as to officer elections
[10:54:12] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): is there a motion to defer this until september?
[10:54:21] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Tim just answered the question I was about to ask.  Can we do that (defer)?
[10:54:25] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): We should not kick the can down the road.
[10:54:39] Faye Blackheart: and it's hard to get a quorum lol
[10:54:44] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): True
[10:54:52] Haplo Eberhart: i feel nothing should be rushed
[10:54:53] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): is there another attorney that wishes to be president?
[10:54:54] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): The new president does not take office until the first fo the year.
[10:54:57] Haplo Eberhart: other than that go with it
[10:55:19] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): So we are not extending Tim if we do defer to September?
[10:55:24] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn) entered chat range (8.06 m).
[10:55:33] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Hi Geri!
[10:55:35] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): my term ends jan 31 2016
[10:55:42] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): welcome geri
[10:55:47] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Hi Geri!
[10:55:50] Jerkwad Borkotron: welcome geri
[10:55:57] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Hello Geri!
[10:55:58] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): hi.  Sorry so late
[10:56:22] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): So the term runs from Feb 1 through Jan 31 (2016-2017)?
[10:56:29] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): mhm
[10:56:38] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): We had just nominated you to ge President, Geri.
[10:56:45] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): You are just in time to accept.
[10:56:46] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) giggles
[10:57:01] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): That's funny Sam.  :)
[10:57:14] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): geri you should nominate sam
[10:57:16] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): it is only fair
[10:57:18] BavarianGames SLSGO: so who are the possible nominations?
[10:57:27] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Been there, done that.
[10:57:39] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Chuckles
[10:57:40] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Got the T-Shirt dispenser.
[10:57:48] Faye Blackheart: lollll
[10:58:01] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): (Thank you Faye.)
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[10:58:11] Faye Blackheart: such as it is lol
[10:59:01] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Q - who is the vice-president currently?
[10:59:13] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Has everyone looked at their shoes long enough yet?
[10:59:13] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): there is no VP
[10:59:27] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): we have president and president-elect, secretary and treasurer
[10:59:33] Treasure Ballinger: Tim is all-powerful.
[10:59:40] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): IRL I had my turn as president of my local bar association in 2012 and 2012 turned out to be one of the worst years ever for me (husband in hospital for three months, friend died, etc.) which makes me a bit superstitious about ever trying that again!
[10:59:52] Haplo Eberhart: pay no attention tot he man behind the curtain
[10:59:53] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): And the president-elect cannot serve?
[11:00:09] Faye Blackheart: there is no president elect yet
[11:00:17] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Got it. Thanks.
[11:00:19] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I nominate Elizabeth.
[11:00:30] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): I gather that is part of what we are addressing right now.  Elizabeth, would you want to serve?
[11:00:30] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): right, b/c i am a second term president
[11:00:44] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Did she crash?
[11:00:50] Faye Blackheart: she ran too
[11:00:55] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): That must mean consent.
[11:00:59] Elizabeth (elizabethesq) takes a deep breath....
[11:01:11] Treasure Ballinger: Should never run away, people do stuff  in your absence!
[11:01:16] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Ah, Elizabeth, you are still here
[11:02:11] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): I think I'm already on the slate for Secretary. LOL. If someone is willing to do that instead, I will take my turn. (or try to, provided life doesn't change my mind for me).
[11:02:29] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): is someone willing to be corporate secretary?
[11:02:30] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Tim what does the Secretary do again?
[11:02:39] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): I'll be the secretary
[11:02:40] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Minutes for our monthly meetings
[11:02:49] Treasure Ballinger: where do the minutes go,
[11:02:49] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Nods.
[11:02:53] Treasure Ballinger: where are they posted
[11:02:55] Treasure Ballinger: on the website?
[11:02:56] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): But I don't want to get in the way of someone who hasn't done it before
[11:03:05] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Minutes are posted to our website,yes
[11:03:07] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): So.. spoke too soon
[11:04:23] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Geri, did you want to run for President? *smiles*
[11:05:20] Faye Blackheart could hear a pin drop
[11:05:22] Treasure Ballinger: *Crickets
[11:05:31] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Alright, I make the motion: Resolved, that the slate for 2015-2016 of officer candidates is: Elizabeth for President, Faye for Treasurer, and Geri for Secretary.
[11:05:41] Faye Blackheart: second
[11:05:47] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I nominate Ellen to be Vice President
[11:05:54] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Who is your P-E?
[11:05:56] Elizabeth (elizabethesq) laughs. I misread Geri! ;-)
[11:05:59] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Nods at Sam.
[11:06:12] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Henry, Elizabeth would be P-E until feb 1, 2016
[11:06:34] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) gives Sam The Look
[11:07:12] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Forgive my ignorance of the by-laws. So the PE serves a short term, then assumes the office of the president. In other words, in the fall there are 4 officers, and then come 2.1. it goes to three
[11:07:20] Faye Blackheart: who was our last treasurer, i'm gonna have some questions lol
[11:07:26] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): henry, yes
[11:07:31] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): TY
[11:07:33] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): faye, you can talk to me
[11:07:36] Faye Blackheart: ok
[11:07:38] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): i have the info
[11:07:39] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): I second the Slate and call the Q
[11:08:23] Jerkwad Borkotron: +1 slate
[11:08:27] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): Oh well, Elizabeth.  :)
[11:08:32] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): All in favor?
[11:08:34] Faye Blackheart: aye
[11:08:36] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Aye
[11:08:37] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Aye
[11:08:37] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Aye.
[11:08:37] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): aye
[11:08:39] Legal Writer: aye
[11:08:43] Jerkwad Borkotron: woot!
[11:08:49] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): aye
[11:08:53] Treasure Ballinger: aye
[11:08:56] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Aye
[11:09:00] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): LOL files a challenge over "woot" :-P
[11:09:04] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Congratulations, Elizabeth!
[11:09:06] Faye Blackheart: ........
[11:09:13] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross) applauds
[11:09:14] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): The Slate carries
[11:09:22] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Congratz
[11:09:22] Legal Writer: Congrats to all!
[11:09:26] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Congratualtions Faye.
[11:09:29] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): The other group are the members of our executive committee
[11:09:33] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Congratulations Geri
[11:09:37] Faye Blackheart smiles weakly
[11:09:41] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): There are three positions for that committee
[11:09:50] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): in addition to the officers and past president
[11:10:03] Elizabeth (elizabethesq) laughs and wonders what she got herself into.
[11:10:04] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Treasure had previously agreed to remain on the executive committee for 2015-2016
[11:10:06] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Might be a bit less dangerous than President or Treasurer
[11:10:11] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I am good to serve on the Exec. Committee.
[11:10:12] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Chuckles
[11:10:14] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): are there any others that wish to serve?
[11:10:20] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): sam, thank you
[11:10:21] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): I would serve
[11:10:25] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): henry thank you
[11:10:35] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): YVW
[11:10:36] Starlight Darkmatter: I would be interested to be on it again
[11:10:38] Treasure Ballinger: I'd like to ask Jerkwad to serve on the exec committee
[11:10:50] Jerkwad Borkotron: I'm clueless
[11:10:51] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): starlight, thank you
[11:11:03] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I move that we expand the committee to include Jerkwad.
[11:11:11] Treasure Ballinger: Tim can you explain a little about the exec committee?
[11:11:14] Jerkwad Borkotron: aww <hugs>
[11:11:24] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): don't want to change bylaws....
[11:11:29] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): as the new secretary..
[11:11:38] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): We need his imput with regard to programs.
[11:11:39] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): The executive committee has the full authority of the board to make resolutions for the corporation
[11:11:47] Treasure Ballinger: change bylaws?
[11:11:50] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): yes
[11:11:57] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): full board authority as a group
[11:12:03] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): to expand the committee
[11:12:05] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): as does the overall membership with a quorum of 10
[11:12:09] Treasure Ballinger: ooooh I see
[11:12:37] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I move that we adjourn.
[11:12:39] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): jerk would you accept the nomination to the committee?
[11:12:43] Treasure Ballinger: lol
[11:12:46] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): Kind of tongue in cheek though, if he really wants to we can.
[11:13:00] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): Or he can be secretary
[11:13:03] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): :)
[11:13:14] Jerkwad Borkotron: I'm flattered but I believe there were 3 volunteers before me I don't want to take anyone's spot
[11:13:35] Haplo Eberhart: i am happy to help in any way i can
[11:13:39] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I don't need to be a member. I'll come anyway and shoot my mouth off.
[11:13:47] Treasure Ballinger: I've been on for a couple years now, I could recuse myself if there's a numbers issue.
[11:13:47] Faye Blackheart: haha
[11:13:49] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): I have not been so active, and relucant to serve if a more active member wishes to be on Exec
[11:14:09] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): I withdraw.
[11:14:12] Treasure Ballinger: but I do like being on exec
[11:14:24] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Yet continuity is hugely important, Treasure, to any organization including a bar that doesn't have professional staff
[11:14:33] Treasure Ballinger: how many does that leave us with
[11:14:39] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Ok so the committee is starlight, treasure and henry
[11:14:54] Treasure Ballinger: ok
[11:15:01] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): i make the motion Resolved that the executive board members for 2015-2016 are: Treasure, Starlight, and Henry.
[11:15:08] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Second the motion
[11:15:13] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Congratulations.
[11:15:15] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): All in favor?
[11:15:18] Faye Blackheart: aye
[11:15:19] Sam Courtois. Esq. (sam4.courtois): Aye.
[11:15:19] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Aye
[11:15:21] Jerkwad Borkotron: aye
[11:15:21] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): aye
[11:15:22] Legal Writer: aye
[11:15:25] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): aye
[11:15:26] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Aye
[11:15:35] Treasure Ballinger: aye
[11:15:40] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Aye to the others; relucant to vote for me! LOL
[11:15:41] BavarianGames SLSGO: sounds great
[11:15:51] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): the slate carries
[11:15:55] Treasure Ballinger: *waves bye to Summer, lol*
[11:15:57] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): congratulations to all of you
[11:16:01] Legal Writer: Congrats!
[11:16:22] Treasure Ballinger: Ok now I need to go to JC Penney in RL and buy a purse.  :D
[11:16:24] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Congratulations to all the new officers, and I appreciate not having to be one
[11:16:38] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): A motion to adjourn was made, is there a second?
[11:16:43] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Second
[11:16:43] Treasure Ballinger: 2nd
[11:16:47] Jerkwad Borkotron: One bit of business
[11:16:54] Treasure Ballinger: oh I have a question, too
[11:16:55] Jerkwad Borkotron: Was there a committee created for the MOMs issue?
[11:16:59] Treasure Ballinger: before we go
[11:17:02] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): jerk it is you and me
[11:17:05] Treasure Ballinger: No, just you and Tim
[11:17:10] Treasure Ballinger: My question is
[11:17:11] Jerkwad Borkotron: ok got it thank you I wasn't sure
[11:17:22] Treasure Ballinger: do we still own that parcel, or whatever it was, in NYC?
[11:17:27] Faye Blackheart: no
[11:17:28] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Also, does anyone have the ability to copy the first half of the meeting for me. When I crashed, I lost eerything.
[11:17:30] Treasure Ballinger: ok ty
[11:17:36] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): elizabeth, yes
[11:17:45] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): all in favor of adjourning?
[11:17:48] Treasure Ballinger: aye
[11:17:48] Faye Blackheart: ayeeeeee
[11:17:49] Ellen S Ross Attorney NY State (ellensross): Aye
[11:17:50] Geri Kahn (geri.kuhn): aye
[11:17:52] Legal Writer: aye
[11:17:56] Haplo Eberhart: si
[11:18:01] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): aye
[11:18:01] Jerkwad Borkotron: oui
[11:18:02] Elizabeth (elizabethesq): Aye
[11:18:03] BavarianGames SLSGO: aye
[11:18:13] Henry Laurens (henrylaurens): Motion to Adjourns always in order. LOL
[11:18:13] Treasure Ballinger: great meeting, bye for now!  *waves*
[11:18:24] Faye Blackheart: thanks everyone
[11:18:25] Tim Faith (yoss.kamachi): Without objection, we are adjourned thank you all for your help and service.


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