8-10-13 General Meeting Transcript

[Timothy S. Faith]

[09:59] Sam Courtois. Esq.: OK -
[09:59] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Good morning everyone.
[09:59] Sam Courtois. Esq.: I think that we don't have a lot on the plate today.
[10:00] zenitram: probably good given it's a small group
[10:00] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Tim, indicated that we have 34 members and $K125 K on hand.
[10:00] Tim Faith: L$129
[10:00] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Which is good, but obviously not good enough.
[10:01] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Sorry $L129 K
[10:01] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Our speakers program is going well, although our August speaker had to bail.
[10:02] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Who is up for September, Tim?
[10:02] Tim Faith: me on 9-21
[10:02] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Excellent.
[10:02] Baeric Constantine is offline.
[10:02] Sam Courtois. Esq.: and what is the subject?
[10:03] Tim Faith: HIPAA - 2013 final regulation
[10:03] hectorc2 is online.
[10:03] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Starlight, you always have great ideas for promoting speakers, can you help us in that regard?
[10:03] zenitram: timely for all of our firms that are business associates under the rules
[10:04] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Yes, everyone needs to know what the rules are going to be,
[10:04] Tim Faith: yes - all your subs will need to be BA's
[10:05] Sam Courtois. Esq.: It seems to be such an important topic, we should make a major issue over getting the word out.
[10:05] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Tim do you have a synopsis available to share?
[10:05] hectorc2 is offline.
[10:06] Tim Faith: i can put something together, sure
[10:06] hectorc2 is online.
[10:06] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Yes, we should have it in hand at least a week before the presentation.
[10:07] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Possibly more if you can swing it.
[10:07] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Here's Hector!
[10:07] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Greetings.
[10:07] Starlight Darkmatter: Hi All, sorry I was multi-tasking...
[10:08] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Girls can do that, I understand.
[10:08] zenitram: hi Hector ... and Star
[10:08] hectorc2: hello
[10:08] Tim Faith: sam - np
[10:09] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Perhaps we can call it "Know the Rules Before It Is Too Late."
[10:10] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Anyhow, Starlight, if you ae among the living, did you see my question?
[10:10] Starlight Darkmatter: Let me think about possible speakers, but I do have an issue
[10:10] Sam Courtois. Esq.: What issue?
[10:11] Starlight Darkmatter: Griefers and bloggers from SL sometimes cause lots of problems for people on the regular web -- if there are enough complaints about someone can something be done via SLBA to take action to have these things removed from the internet?
[10:11] Starlight Darkmatter: I have an example...
[10:12] hectorc2: i am following the chat in a mobile app. my apologies again.
[10:12] Tim Faith: sorry all - RL diaper duty - brb
[10:12] Sam Courtois. Esq.: LOL
[10:12] hectorc2:  ok lol
[10:12] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Busy time for everyone.
[10:12] Tim Faith: lol
[10:12] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Go ahead Starlight.
[10:13] Starlight Darkmatter: So there is this avatar, Prokofy Neva who is banned FROM SL FORUMS, BANNED FROM TERRA NOVA
[10:13] Sam Courtois. Esq.: OK
[10:13] hectorc2: ok
[10:13] Starlight Darkmatter: There is even an online petition to ban this person from Second Life with like 50 signatures or something like that
[10:13] Sam Courtois. Esq.: OK
[10:14] hectorc2: yes
[10:14] Starlight Darkmatter: Also they have a blog which basically is a bunch of attacks on numerous people
[10:14] Sam Courtois. Esq.: OK
[10:14] Starlight Darkmatter: the blog is published on the regular internet but is about people in SL
[10:14] hectorc2: .
[10:14] Starlight Darkmatter: The person has been called a number of things I won't repeat here
[10:15] hectorc2: :)
[10:15] Starlight Darkmatter: due to their griefing and harassment
[10:15] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Your point?
[10:15] hectorc2: ip ban?
[10:15] Starlight Darkmatter: so I am just wondering if there is some sort of inworld resolution center or option
[10:15] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Like what?
[10:15] Starlight Darkmatter: in addition to filing about reports to LL
[10:16] hectorc2: not that i am aware off
[10:16] Sam Courtois. Esq.: How would you have something like that handled?
[10:16] Starlight Darkmatter: the person's blog has lots of stuff on it that personally I would like to shut it down
[10:16] Sam Courtois. Esq.: What is the URL?
[10:17] zenitram: does it constitute libel?
[10:18] Starlight Darkmatter: http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/
[10:18] Sam Courtois. Esq.: In a free society, it is hard to sanction the exercise of free speech.
[10:18] Starlight Darkmatter: Yes well take a look at some of the complaints... I compiled a bunch of them
[10:19] Starlight Darkmatter: First of all let me just say, here is an example of Prok's exchanges with people in virtual worlds... this is with the US ARMY:
[10:19] Starlight Darkmatter: Douglas Maxwell ?@vrdeity 15 Sep
@Prokofy @ArabellaSL I don't know what meeting you are talking about. Like I said before, you are misinformed.
Douglas Maxwell ?@vrdeity 15 Sep
@Prokofy @ArabellaSL I want to avoid forking the Firestorm for a MOSES client. It is too early to tell just yet. Dep licensing is issue.
Douglas Maxwell ?@vrdeity 15 Sep
@Prokofy @ArabellaSL There have been no secret meetings. You are misinformed.
[10:19] hectorc2: where's the server located at--the website's?
[10:20] Starlight Darkmatter: Bascially the person makes wild accusations and conspiriacy theories
[10:20] Starlight Darkmatter: and says stuff that is not true
[10:20] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Lots of people lie.
[10:21] zenitram: I dunno Starlight ... to me it seems like he's got a First Amendment right to spout nonsense and be an ass if he wants
[10:21] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Perhaps we should but off their fingers?
[10:21] Starlight Darkmatter: Well, I have a list of the related links -- I can give it to sam
[10:22] zenitram: unless he's engaging in actionable libel ... for which there's a civil remedy
[10:22] hectorc2: for example if you can find out where the servers are located defamation law are different in England Germany
[10:22] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Well, in any case, I do not see how that fits into our mandate as an association.
[10:22] zenitram: I just noticed that he's a member of the SLBA ... is he a lawyer?
[10:22] hectorc2: the United States of Fortune doesn't offer very good protection for the phone with a real and which doesnt make the order of the website responsible unless there's a disclaimer where by the owner of the website makes editorial changes
[10:23] Starlight Darkmatter: Not a lawyer
[10:23] Starlight Darkmatter: Unemployed former "journalist"
[10:23] hectorc2: defamation rather I am dictating to the phone
[10:24] hectorc2: I think we should all be concerned more with children's rights and fraudulent activity
[10:24] Sam Courtois. Esq.: I'll look into it.
[10:24] Starlight Darkmatter: This person has been banned from open sim virtual world and SL forums
[10:24] Starlight Darkmatter: but still their blog persists
[10:25] Starlight Darkmatter: With that many signatures on a petition, something should be done about it
[10:25] hectorc2: do you know this person's real life identity?
[10:25] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Is there a constitutional right to be free of bad people?
[10:26] Tim Faith: he's been a slba member for years
[10:26] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Hey, her money is as green as the next woman's
[10:26] Starlight Darkmatter: Yes I know the RL identity
[10:27] Starlight Darkmatter: Have they ever come to a meeting?
[10:27] Tim Faith: not that i recall
[10:27] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Well, is the a motion for us to take some sort of action?
[10:27] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Starlight?
[10:27] hectorc2: you could probably take your chances and send a cease and desist letter then again you have to determine whether in fact there's jurisdiction over that person
[10:28] Sam Courtois. Esq.: There is no "jurisdiction" over anyone.
[10:28] Starlight Darkmatter: that is a good point hector
[10:28] Starlight Darkmatter: give me a min to formulate a motion please
[10:28] hectorc2: jurisdiction in re
[10:29] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Jurisdiction in SL is totally consensual.
[10:29] hectorc2: no I disagree there's no consensual aspect to defamatory conduct
[10:29] zenitram: one thing we can look at are SLBA membership guidelines ... given the guy's a member
[10:30] zenitram: the KC metro bar association has principles of collegiality
[10:30] hectorc2: I think Terms of Service 13
[10:30] hectorc2: ll
[10:30] zenitram: http://www.kcmba.org/news_pubs/profcourtesy.htm
[10:30] Starlight Darkmatter: I would like to move to establish a mixed reality help center to assist virtual world avatars and their real life identities with potential legal issues including cease and desist letters, lible or slander, etc.
[10:31] Starlight Darkmatter: Basically to help them determine what steps they need to take and how to find and complete the forms
[10:31] Starlight Darkmatter: unless there is something idk about alredy that we have like that
[10:31] hectorc2: sounds like a really good idea and sending letters to Linden Labs on behalf of those affected by the defamatory conduct
[10:32] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Is there a second?
[10:32] hectorc2: 2nd
[10:32] Starlight Darkmatter: Most people don't know where to begin in this process
[10:32] Starlight Darkmatter: so perhaps like a resource center?
[10:33] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The question is shall we establish a mixed reality help center.
[10:33] zenitram: good point ... I'm not sure where to start with that either ... I could see perhaps a web site with forms, links, etc, but the problem with trying to solve SL problems in RL is the economics
[10:33] hectorc2: yes agreed
[10:34] Starlight Darkmatter: Well, we have the slba ning
[10:34] zenitram: I honestly can't see the average person who may be offended by something in SL forking over my hourly fees for me to dig into it
[10:34] Starlight Darkmatter: so it is better just to meet with someone in their SL office?
[10:35] hectorc2: the problem with us is the under valued  Linden currency
[10:35] zenitram: i think it's more fundamental than that ... this is still seen as more of a game platform than a supercharged social media platform
[10:36] hectorc2: we should try to lobby to have imeadiate Xchange be noticed the time of purchase of lemons so you get an exact match to United States $ currency
[10:36] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Is there any further discussion?
[10:37] hectorc2: alologized for the chat err
[10:37] Tim Faith: point of order - we lack a quorom
[10:37] Starlight Darkmatter: How about a web page with links to resources, and an estimate on an hourly rate to meet with a member of SLBA and possibly a contact email?
[10:38] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Are we ready for a vote on the question?
[10:38] hectorc2: I contacted three different boat manufacturers and I think that they think that this is still a game not to be taken seriously by any stretch of the imagination so no signs of them awarding a license to my client
[10:39] hectorc2: unfortunately for now
[10:39] hectorc2: going to take time
[10:39] Starlight Darkmatter: I think it is somewhat sad that as a member of the group if I had an issue on a specific topic I would not know who to contact in the group to even make an appointment
[10:40] hectorc2: you can contact me anytime
[10:40] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The question is shall we establish a mixed reality help center.
[10:40] zenitram: I don't think a platform or mechanism for outreach can hurt
[10:40] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Those in favor, please signify by saying "aye"
[10:40] hectorc2: what do you define mixed reality
[10:40] hectorc2: I am lost on that point
[10:40] Elizabeth: What is the motion?
[10:40] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The question is shall we establish a mixed reality help center.
[10:41] Starlight Darkmatter: Mixed reality is a combination of real life and virtual world life
[10:41] Elizabeth: Thank you.
[10:41] Tim Faith: point of order - we lack a quorom
[10:41] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Those opposed, please say "Nay"
[10:41] hectorc2: mixed between 2nd life in real life
[10:41] zenitram: oh ... Tim ... remind me, what's the quorum requirement?
[10:42] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The point of order is well taken.
[10:42] Tim Faith: 10 members
[10:42] Starlight Darkmatter: oh there is not enough people
[10:42] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Lacking a quorum, the motion is laid on the table.
[10:42] hectorc2: lol I am lost as to what we're votng on
[10:42] Elizabeth nods.
[10:42] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The question is shall we establish a mixed reality help center.
[10:43] hectorc2: if it's what I'm understanding makes reality I think it's a good idea
[10:43] Sam Courtois. Esq.: We are voting on the motion that Starlight made and you seconded.
[10:43] Starlight Darkmatter: Perhaps postpone this vote, and open it to discussion later?
[10:43] zenitram: perhaps it would help if Starlight could flesh out the idea some more and come back with a more detailed proposal when we do have a quorum
[10:43] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The Motion is laid on the table pending a quorum.
[10:43] Tim Faith: i agree with zen
[10:43] hectorc2: agree
[10:43] Starlight Darkmatter: Well I would certainly like some input from the group
[10:43] Tim Faith: i think this is interesting
[10:43] Soro Dagostino: Can we circulate a petition via our discussion board and ask for comments?
[10:44] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Absolutely.
[10:44] Soro Dagostino: Then do a written vote.
[10:44] hectorc2: mediation with a mandatory Bond. whoever prevails keeps the bond
[10:44] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Starlight, please frame a discussion question for the forum.
[10:44] hectorc2: voluntary arbitration I meant
[10:44] Elizabeth: huh?
[10:44] Starlight Darkmatter: Does the peition offer the opportunity for people to submit their ideas and input?
[10:45] Elizabeth: I think rather than a petition, perhaps a discussion would work better?
[10:45] Sam Courtois. Esq.: The froum will provide for that.
[10:45] hectorc2: excellent
[10:45] Starlight Darkmatter: Okay... a petition to establish a mixed reality help center.
[10:46] hectorc2: the term makes reality is it used to prevent from having one of the avatars disclose their true life identity
[10:46] hectorc2: ?
[10:46] hectorc2: mixed
[10:47] hectorc2: keeping all parties anonymous
[10:47] hectorc2: ?
[10:47] Starlight Darkmatter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_reality
[10:48] hectorc2: let me see
[10:48] Starlight Darkmatter: It says mix of reality with virtual reality
[10:48] Starlight Darkmatter: basically
[10:49] hectorc2: I see, the metaverse
[10:49] zenitram: one of my favorite webcomics is playing with that theme as of late
[10:50] Starlight Darkmatter: Milgram and Kishino (1994) defined mixed reality. (MR) as the “merging of real and virtual worlds some- where along the virtuality continuum which connects.
[10:50] hectorc2: that Help Center can have a website addresses of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the event somebody needs to contact the Federal Bureau to start a case
[10:50] Soro Dagostino: I just looked at the site -- it needs some serious updates.
[10:51] Lincoln Beck is online.
[10:51] Soro Dagostino: I haven't seen a CRT like that in years!
[10:51] hectorc2: the other day somebody contacted me you to peers that 40 sims we're shut down
[10:51] hectorc2: the people owners of the senses were victims of fraudulent Lindens dollars
[10:52] hectorc2: I advise them to open up in contact the Federal Bureau of Investigations for the initiation of the case
[10:52] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Sue the Bastards!
[10:52] hectorc2: Pierre payments with fraudulent Linden dollars
[10:52] Starlight Darkmatter: See this would be the thing they need help with -- Linden dollars in a virtual world are converted to real dollars in the real world
[10:52] zenitram: RICO time ... treble damages!
[10:52] hectorc2: tier
[10:53] hectorc2: yes
[10:53] Sam Courtois. Esq.: OK - is there anything else we need to get into at this time?
[10:53] hectorc2: so my point is that there is a lot of money to be lost  people need help
[10:54] hectorc2: people will need help
[10:54] Tim Faith: 8-17 6pm SLT at Zen's
[10:54] Elizabeth: That sounds great!
[10:54] hectorc2: very well see you all then.
[10:54] Sam Courtois. Esq.: If not, I will entertain a motion to adjourn.
[10:54] Elizabeth: Thank you Zen for hosting that party!
[10:54] Starlight Darkmatter: :0
[10:54] Tim Faith: +1
[10:54] hectorc2: it's going to be an awesome party
[10:54] Elizabeth: Motion to adjourn the meeting.
[10:55] hectorc2: aye
[10:55] hectorc2: bye
[10:55] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Thank you everyone.
[10:55] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Don't forget the party.
[10:55] Elizabeth: Bye Hector.
[10:55] hectorc2: you're very welcome to stay out of trouble if you can
[10:55] Elizabeth smiels
[10:55] Elizabeth: smiles*
[10:55] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Next meeting will be September 14.
[10:55] hectorc2: :D
[10:55] Elizabeth: Great!
[10:55] Soro Dagostino: Bye all,
[10:55] Elizabeth: Marking it on my calendar!
[10:55] Sam Courtois. Esq.: Next presentation will be September 21.